"We had a complete meltdown," says David. MORRISON: When another of Andrew's best friends, Kurt Kuenne, heard about the murder, he also went into a tailspin. I had two sisters already, so a brother, because now I'd have somebody that I can teach about hockey and, (Shears and Zachary; photo of Shears and Zachary). We would've done handstands and cartwheels to. ?I knew what Zachary's fate would be long before it was written about here but it was shattering to read of it from his grandfather's perspective. This is a fantastic book. David Bagby speculates that this was Shirley's idea of victory: when Andrew and Zachary both rejected her, she punished them. in honor of his beloved friend Andrew, and then for Andrew's son, Zachary. Did anybody want to take them? David says. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) His parents don't even know, do they? He would always be sitting on that chair, there, Kate says, pointing to a stool at the kitchen breakfast bar, on the phone.. Another guy and I said, `Sure. After breaking up at the final bonfire and ultimately reconciling, here's what David and Kate have been up to since Temptation Island season 2 aired. He found that officials working on a presumption of Turner's innocence were more worried about her welfare than that of her son. However, David and Toneata's relationship did not last long. By 6 p.m. she left for Keystone State Park, where she and Andrew had agreed to meet after his hospital shift. I was lucky to get my hands on a copy of this hard to find book and was glad I did. Eventually, David and Kate broke up for good. KATE: I thought, `Well, God, this is it.' But he was accepted here, St. John's, Newfoundland, the easternmost point in North America. CONTRIBUTED BY DAVID AND KATE BAGBY Sixteen years have passed but for the Bagbys the story of the deaths of their only son and grandson resurfaces all the time. They told us that they'd found the body. MORRISON: Ah, but there was a lot to say about Andrew. After the child was born the clearly mentally-ill mother wrecked havok on the grandparents lives. But I used to look at her hand and think, it. "With Andrew gone and then Zachary gone, we didn't give a damn about putting up a Christmas tree or lights outside or any of that stuff," Bagby said from their home in Gilroy, about 30 kilometres south of San Jose. While keeping a matter-of-fact tone throughout the book, bursts of emotion break through and you can really feel the pain that the Bagby's went through. David was taking pictures, Kate says. He is campaigning to change Canadian bail law so no one charged with murder is allowed to walk the streets like Shirley Turner. True, heartbreaking story of a son's disastrous love relationship and the son his murderer bore. I lay in--laid there in bed a couple of times and thought, If I just kill her, Zachary will be safe. She woke the baby and carried him up the stairs to her home, David recalls. I--we both did. and allowed to play Russian Roulette with her baby's and other people's lives is totally ludacris. Take a look at Kate and her new love below: In addition to her thriving love life, Kate also created a brand called Spread the Love, which sells clothing and beauty items. She then murders said grandson in a murder-suicide. But instead of folding, Kate became a volunteer advocate for foster children and started helping the parents of other murdered children. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Are you sure? Then, upon. The reality was almost too much to comprehend. In November 2002, when, Zachary was four months old, a Canadian judge ruled that a properly instructed, jury would likely find Shirley Turner guilty and ordered her incarceration, while awaiting a decision from justice officials to surrender her to the, United States. Sorry, there was a problem loading this page. KATE: I sat there and bit my lip and cried. It pains me to award only two stars to a book written by David Bagby, but I want to use the Goodreads' ranking system more accurately. No one can tell the story as clearly and with as much emotion as his father does in this book. But in January 2003, the legal system confounded their expectations yet again. MORRISON: And go she did, back to Newfoundland, Canada. Switch between reading the Kindle book & listening to the Audible narration with, Get the Audible audiobook for the reduced price of $7.49 after you. ', Mr. SIMPSON: And I told him, I said, `You know, Andrew, when I break up with somebody and put them on a plane and send them 1300 miles away,' I said, `They knock on my front door, I'm going out the back door and I'm calling the police.' At least he might have asleep when she went in. And Kate would walk into the house, especially when Andrew was home for a visit from the University of California-Irvine. Sheers asked Turner to move out, which she did, but not before selling his computer and taking his camcorder with her. However, as events transpired, the focus shifted to the incompetence of the Canadian courts in keeping Turner behind bars, as well as the plight of Bagby's parents, David and Kate, as they battled to get custody of the last remnant of their slain son. Harriette Cole: I don't want the neighbor's kids at my house, Dear Abby: My wife said she doesn't like it, but it's part of my life, Ask Amy: I feel guilty for not speaking up about my co-worker's activities, Ask Amy: I'm your cabin housekeeper, and you apparently have no idea what I do. you have anywhere to put that, or that Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Not yet. Turner, a general practitioner, was 42 when she killed herself and her son. I had a job I loved. Tragic doesn't even come close to describing this case. DNA testing proved he was Andrew Bagbys son. She was here.' Cant imagine the pain the author went through writing this book. MORRISON: I never know what to think about these feelings that people get. The legal system helped her kill Zachary. Keith Morrison reports. Mr. SIMPSON: Things people should know about Andrew, he was never late. KATE: (Audio recording) Right. Their sons killer was off the streets and their grandchild would come live with them. MORRISON: When T.J. heard about Andrew's murder Mr. SHEARS: I just figure, `OK, well, he was in America. Was she lying? a month after 30 days. MORRISON: Andrew Bagby. You know? At first, visitation was limited to one wonderful, torturous hour a week with Zachary. not only is Shirley Turner never held accountable for murdering Andrew, but she's allowed to keep primary custody of Zachary, ultimately resulting in his death. Instead they focused on their physician sons legacy, while contemplating ways to honor his memory. did. We. MORRISON: But then she claimed she couldn't find it. After viewing product detail pages, look here to find an easy way to navigate back to pages you are interested in. Part of my peace comes from doing everything to change Canadian law. (Photo of Shirley, Kate and Zachary; photo of Shirley, David and Zachary; Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Well, I just want your word that I'm going to, know where he's at, like any babysitter, you know, if you're going to take him, anywhere, just say, `Shirley, we're going to run out and do this. "It was a policeman and he was telling me: 'Your son is dead under suspicious circumstances.' I rarely give anything a perfect score, but the reason I'm not this time is simply because it was too sad. For the Bagbys, there could be no better news than Turners imprisonment. The Bagbys couldnt imagine a darker moment than their sons November 2001 murder. Kate, who is six years older than David and had been married before, was ready to get married again and start a family, while David was not at that point in his life. In the spring of 2002, David quit his job and Kate took a leave. I read this book in a single day on 2 airplanes several months ago. When police interviewed the hospital staff Mr. SIMPSON: I said, `Well, you don't have to look far.' The only thing about his life that didn't make sense to some friends and family was his relationship with that doctor from Newfoundland, the one he'd started dating when going to medical school there. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Then I can't consent to more time right now. She, floored by grief. I mean, the best man is really the groom. To calculate the overall star rating and percentage breakdown by star, we dont use a simple average. news about his mother and baby brother, and was slammed with instant blowback. They smothered him in kisses and often spoke to him about Andrew. He eventually moved on to a residency in Latrobe, Pa., and she went to work as a family practice doctor in Council Bluffs, Iowa. He was developing a personality. Once David completed his engineering degree, the Bagbys were intent on starting a family. The next, hearing in the extradition process was set for September, at which time they. When I was growing up, she just seemed like just a normal mom, Sheers, 24, says. "We never expected it. We also may change the frequency you receive our emails from us in order to keep you up to date and give you the best relevant information possible. And so he set out to collect the memories of Andrew's family and giant circle of friends. Kate to keep up their end of that bargain. Change is slow. It gets a bit bogged down in legal tedium. "We had to deal with her to get to Zachary.". At the final bonfire, David and Kate broke up, with Kateleaving the island aloneand David leaving with one of the single women, Toneata. Mr. KUENNE: You know, he said--she said, `Look, I'm not looking for another husband. She pulled herself together and called David, then a technical writer at Ditech Networks in Mountain View. And I, wanted to scream, `My son's life is on hold forever, and you have the audacity, to apologize to this accused murderer?' Mr. BAGBY: Oh, yeah. This attracted the needy and insecure Turner to him. The two eventually lived together again. MORRISON: She kept trying to get between you and the baby. He said, `What can happen?'. KATE: Ah, it was wonderful. [2] : 494 [3] At the time, Shirley had been released on bail and . There won't be any question about whether she can hurt, MORRISON: Coming up, as David Bagby wrestles with these terrible. The next day, she got in her car with her gun.. Nurse and mother Kate Bagby was at work caring for patients the day she heard . Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I know you don't want to, you don't intend to. Immortalized in the spellbinding documentary Dear Zachary, this angry, raw, and brutally honest memoir of murder and loss chronicles a systems failure to prevent the death of a child. She was born to the late th I never really convinced myself that she, could--that she would hurt Zachary. Scott Adams faces 'consequence culture' as U.S. newspapers drop Dilbert, Tom Cruise's 'ditching' of Suri showcased by Judd Apatow's 'co-parenting' joke, ex-Scientology exec says. It was all incorrect from the beginning, that all this, innocence and everything she's told you was a lie. Help contribute to IMDb. He just lit up when he saw Kate, David says. His wife and himself also were quick to not harvest bitterness towards Turner's children,relatives,etc. In the beginning, Kate did not pursue any romantic relationshipswith the single menin the house, but David almost immediately started flirting with the single women. Mr. BAGBY: Oh, this ranks right up there. The first time I had to go into a room with her, David says. The Bagby's lived a nightmare that no person should ever have to go through and I admire their courage and strength. But of course I didn't. They forged a relationship with the woman they believed killed their son so they could see Zachary, their only grandchild. That they survived such horrible adversity is a testament to their courage, resolve and love. In the, tribute documentary their son's best friend Kurt Kuenne was making to someday, give Zachary, the Bagbys' friends recount how difficult it was for David and. More than a month passed before Turner was finally arrested in Canada on December 21 but, within hours she was out on bail until she could be extradited to the US. `Are you Kathleen Bagby? I said, `Yes. He said, `You have to call the coroner in Greensburg. I knew then, it had to be Andrew.. Shirley. Well, I said, `Bring some beer. See rank. They raised a wonderful, Unidentified Man #26: Thanks for bringing such a wonderful person. Kate reacted with tremendous grief.. any problem at all with them spending time with him, unlike my mother, Mr. SHEARS: I guess I just thought, well, they're kind of accusing her of, murder. I don't know how they are still living, but he described their heartbreak and pain so effectively. Not always.. The 28-year-old California native, a family medical practice resident, died Nov. 5, 2001. Someone found a car that didn't belong. They would go to Pennsylvania to . What a flaky person. Really? Then when he sort of tried to get her to go away, she wouldnt.. The documentary was also made with the intention of being given to Andrew's son Zachary to explain the full story of his family. So intense, horrifying, and yet inspired by the love and devotion of Andrews parents and their dedication to raise and teach their one and only sweet grandson. MORRISON: What do you do about this? Sold and delivered by Audible, an Amazon company, By completing your purchase, you agree to Audibles. Customer Reviews, including Product Star Ratings help customers to learn more about the product and decide whether it is the right product for them. Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son about His Father is a 2008 documentary detailing the life and death of one Dr. Andrew Bagby, a resident at a family practice in Latrobe, Pennsylvania. I kind of. David and Kate Bagby must have been saints to have had to tolerate personal dealings with their only child's murderess,and basically have to groval to her to even see their precious only-ever grandchild.Yet,they did whatever they could for the sake of Zachary.Most people (myself included) would have made away with Shirley Turner the first chance they got.Why should they have even been put in that insane situation in the first place? American authorities asked Canadian, authorities to send her back to the US, which would require an extradition, hearing. It looked like an open-and-shut case but, before the police could arrest her, Turner fled over the Canadian border, back home to St John's, in Newfoundland. She was, pregnant, and the baby was Andrew's. This story broke my heart. After reading what happened to that poor innocent little boy I truly think that the people responsible for leaving him with his dangerous, violent suicidal mother should do hard time in prison. Just rage. MORRISON: Winter is capricious in Newfoundland; repeatedly, spring is briefly offered and then taken back again. Defo a good read. (Kate and Zachary; judge in court; Shirley being escorted from court), Mr. KUENNE: I don't know. Why didn't the many people who witnessed Shirley Turner's disturbing behavior and intense wrath make an issue in the courts more of it? Initially, Andrew's close friend Kurt Kuenne, a filmmaker, intended the film as a personal memorial and scrapbook so that Zachary could know the kind of person his father was. I would really like for you and Kate. It changes the Criminal Code, allowing courts to refuse bail for suspects accused of serious crimes when anaccused'schild or children under the age of 18 may be in danger. All Access Digital offer for just 99 cents! "You ask yourself, 'How could that happen?'". And Shears says his mother was good to him when he was a child. "This is it recognition by the legal community, which includes Parliament, that bail had something to do with Zachary's death. Unidentified Woman #11: I love them very much. If she had her way, we would not have had any visitation at, MORRISON: Coming up, fighting not just to see their grandson, but. He said, `What can happen?'. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I do have a complaint, finally. Even after the reunion episode, where more information emerged about David's multiple hookups both on the show and afterward, Kate stuck by her man. I hate it. In the wake of the shocking turn of events, Andrew's father, David Bagby, wrote a true crime memoir that is described as "a eulogy for a dead son, an elegy for lives cut tragically short, and a castigation of a broken system.". I said, `When do you think you'll be done?' Cpl. I didn't have. MORRISON: And now that she was freed, Shirley would once again, Mr. BAGBY: We had to take him down the stairs and give him to, Shirley's friend, who happened to have a car seat. He was beautiful and looked just like Andrew. It didn't clue in, MORRISON: T.J. says while he was touched that she'd shown up at, the hospital, he was also a little surprised. Everyone could see how far off the deep end Shirley Turner was, including the very justice system that continued to set her free and place an innocent child in her arms. Mr. KUENNE: He warmed up to me as the--as the week wore on, MORRISON: But the Bagbys were especially anxious. Like everyone elses mom, I guess.. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) He is too happy, Kathleen. She studied international business and marketing before finding her passion for writing. For this night they were a couple once again, dancing and drinking together. Was it true? 1 Photo. It was time for the Bagbys to join Turner and baby Zachary on outings to the local pool. She appealed and a hearing was set for September 2003. CBC's Journalistic Standards and Practices. Zachary's birth gave the documentary new impetus. He was especially delighted to hear that David and Kate Bagby are once again hauling out boxes of Christmas decorations that went unused for so long. Mr. BAGBY: We were out shopping or something. He and his wife also participated in a. After Andrew Bagby's death, Turner left Pennsylvania for Newfoundland, her home province, and gave birth to their son. "They are appalled and outraged.". Understood? The reason we go through the lawyers is so that we. Newfoundlanders tend to trust each other, perhaps it's because, generally, With a skilled lawyer on hand to do Shirley Turner's bidding, the. Do you understand? One of the first to meet Zachary was, (Photo of Zachary Turner; wedding dance; photo of Shirley and Zachary; photo. I had NO idea what the outcome was going to be. What shocked fans the most was that Kate actually took David back, and the pair dated for a while after the show aired. You know what, when Andrew didn't show up at 7:30, I knew something was very wrong. As the police searched for Turner and Zachary through the day on Aug. 18, Kate and David waited in their apartment with the Rev. then one day I realized what it was. But did they manage to make it through the separation unscathed? He interviewed old friends who recalled Andrew as a gregarious, well-loved soul who starred in Kuenne's earliest attempts at filmmaking.