Two questions: Should I be concerned about the timing chain/guides issue in her vehicle? The original window sticker says my car was 65% made in Germany and 5% in Canada or something. Hello BMW technician, I know there is a lawsuit going on with N20 timing chain in NJ District Court CenterNet / Aftersales Portal / Service / Workshop Technology / Vehicle Programming. Or anything else you have come across? What codes would come up when the timing chain fails? has reduced power output. Hello and thank you for your various articles on the n20 engine. Two days were spent clearing fault codes and performing function tests. Cleared the code, and restarted the engine, within . Yes it should,,,,but sometimes some random faults might still be their, The service engine light has not cleared. 131908-VANOS inlet: cold start, Position not reached. Im wondering if I can just replace those bolts with new steel ones , my car is out of warranty and it has not develop any issues yet , but as precautionary measure I was wondering if this is possible? Having the same. dtc are 131401 and 131501 . If performing other ISTA diagnostics and related test plans results with eligible and covered My mechanic said he had already replaced the Vanos sol valves and still getting the same codes. The BMW N20 is a 4-cylinder, turbocharged engine produced from 2011-2017, and was BMW's replacement for the naturally aspirated 3.0L 6-cylinder N52/N53 engines. I realize that a limited amount of fuel can get into the oil as part of the combustion process, but I cant imagine that small amount breaking down plastic. My car, BMW 320i 2014 with N20 Engine, with 33K Miles on the clock, is just broke down with a drive train error. Charging pressure control: Switch-off as consequence The only fault was still the boost disable fault. I know impulse sending wheels and camshaft they need to be lined up using a special tool. The boost disable was cleared by itself. BMW Fault Code Lookup Enter a BMW fault code (P or hex), complete the Captcha, and click "Search" P-Codes will start with a P and are usually generated by generic scanners. I called the mechanic he said it was a fault related to the emissions. I can of course record my engine startup if thatll let you know the case). They also got me up to speed on the known timing chain issues, extended 7yr/70,000 mile extended warranty and class action lawsuit stuff. It has the N26 engine, factory warranty has expired. Loss of power and smoke on the exhaust when accelerating. Thats important to know for later. I am also concerned , like every other n20 owner, that it will grenade eventually. are the codes it wont start i have a timing chain set on the way have you seen any of these engine survive after The engine is running and seems to run pretty good although its still has that ticking sound that it had before. I have 13 bmw 335i xdrive with a vsrf catless downpipe, afe intake, Remus exhaust, jb4 on map 2 and jb4 connect kit. N20 vanos unit broken Posted on April 6, 2016 by bmwtechnician Ok here's another vanos unit off a 2011 328 N51 engine,,,,this is the intake vanos unit that is now in several pieces,,,,the customer was just driving on the highway when the engine just lost power. module. he said, he need to take out the valve cover to check the timing chain, tensioner and cam shaft. If you are interested here is the rest of the story. Learn how your comment data is processed. F10 When the VANOS solenoids were removed for testing I checked the marks I made on the VANOS impulse wheels and on the harmonic balancer and they looked perfect. Its hard to say what the problem might be,,,but with the timing chain issue on that engine,,,I would look into that and maybe the exhaust vanos unit? The first start up gave many more codes but I have cleared the fault codes several times and these two appear along with the consequence fault code of 120408 Charge pressure control off. Up to that point the engine was smooth as silk!! Yes I have seen some engines survive,,,,it just hard to say what damage was done to the engine and how bad it is,,,,and is it worth fixing. No one knows what this CDA904 code means. check out the. By any chance do you know how long will the dealerships receive this extended warranty info after the case settles? I would love to listen to your video,,,please send it. Page 3 of 4 Im wondering do I need to have the 7/70 warranty to get BMW covered on this timing chain issue? 2008 BMW 128I [0.00] Check engine light DTC 131501. Its a bit like on the list, the block of 20i and 28i is quite close, so why one seems more impacted than the other (the higher torque?). I personally know of one person that had a total loss on their X1 engine in Saskatchewan back in 2016 before BMW Canada acknowledged a widespread issue with the timing chain on the N20. Suddenly the half yellow engine light came on and was telling me that reduced engine power bla bla. Thank You very much for your help. Tried new battery. 130104 VANOS, intake, control fault, camshaft jammed I would get this taken care now,,,,,I dont like that whine noise and that rattle noise during start up,,,take care of this now. My service guy called and told me to sell the car immediately because oil wasnt circulating through the engine and eventually it would seize. Im not really sure its my 2012 BMW 320i (F30) probably produced from 05/2012 affected by this or not as its did not show in the list. My car have no error code, product 4/2012 with no tune. And yes the crank wouldnt rotate after being inserted. What's even more exciting about the N20 engine is that this four-cylinder engine is capable of generating a stunning power of 240 HP and a sizzling torque of 260 lb-ft. If one of the applicable faults listed above is stored in the DME then continue with the A service advisor at a reputable independent repair shop was concerned about the brief rattle/stutter (5 second mark) in this video upon ignition. Ok the charge boost pressure fault is related to the vanos faults,,,,the vanos faults could be a couple of things but since you just replaced the timing chain maybe the timing is not correct on the intake vanos unit? 131501: Vanos: inlet, cold start not controllable If it is not on the list then it is not covered under that bulletin,,,but BMW does have some other programs,,,you need to go to the dealer and have your key remote reader performed and it will say if you are covered for any timing chain defects. It looks like the car is on this recall list. I had 2014 328i and having no issue yet so far,but im concern about the timing chain since my car is on the list of having problems with the timing chain,i checked the vin number to see if there is a recall for that and did not see anything,what should i do to double check ?should i go to dealership and just tell them about this bulleti? Your email address will not be published. Brought it to a second mechanic. Hi bmwtechnician, Think I'll avoid this. Hi, I have N20 with rough idle. Earlier this week I took my 2012 328i to dealership because check engine light came on. also it has a start stall initially. F30 FM pistons with negative bias of piston ring are also installed in this motor. Required fields are marked *. Thanks for any input. Labor: 1.0. Any thoughts!!! Do you think it has to do something with the timing belt. Hi Hi, I have little complicated problem with F30 N20B20 2012 engine.. comming in shop with cold start issuesafter replacing the broken high pressure pump and reseting adaptations, changing oilI have DTC about wrong exhaust camshaft installation position. WARRANTY INFORMATION Its hard to say what the problem is without see the car and performing some test,,,but it doesnt sound good when the low oil pressure light came on,,,sound like something major happened internal inside the engine. Did this on the intake side. It revs fine but with the turbo disabled a drive around the block is at a pedestrian pace. I called BMW and they said no recalls on the car and told me to take it to a BWM Official garage. Cloning means making full copy of ISN files from original DME and copy it over to use DME, So what happens if the ISN files are corrupted and you just copied it over to the other DMEare the pins damaged on the original DME ,,,or are the connection on the harness damage,,,,we just had a car last mouth where the harness was damaged for the fuel injector signals causing fuel to dump,,,the harness was damaged on the connector for the DME,,,you might have to perform OHM test on the harness to make sure the harness and connections are good. Direksiyon kilidi/Kontak alteri BMW paralar 47738. The connector may have a removable cover. Everything works, radio, windows, Locks. The fuel pump tank pressure is good when i check but when i read the data for fuel rail its very low and drop right back to 0.. Im sorry,,,and I hate how BMW has handled the whole problem with the N20-N26 engine and timing chain issue,,,I understand your frustration with BMW and how they didnt take care of this known problem. Everything else works perfectly at 176,000km. You should ask the dealer about it. Changed the oil filter and OIL. Im thinking the dealership is just not interested in fixing it. Example: P1055 Hex Codes are typically given by more advanced scanners. 1; 120408 Charging pressure control: switch-off as consequence and cam shaft are not in alignment any more. https://youtu.be/Frj0a82XfDo, He did not notice any whining- but do you hear whining in this second video? Seems like the locking pins are stuck. another repair, use the Plus code labor operation 00 00 556 instead. 130308 VANOS, exhaust, control fault, position not reached The timing chain & guides are bathed in engine oil, not fuel. It should show something like incorrect angle/position. We purchased it from a BMW dealership, they didnt mention any potential issues with the timing chain components. It goes from 0 8 kpa and back to 0 will cranking do you have any idea what that reading should be on the fuel rail. Hi Im wondering do I need to have a 7/70 warranty to get BMW cover for this problem? Note that the desired angle was constant. But one of the passages might have had some trash in it. Hi Chip.. Did you ever come across a step by step procedure in doing this? Perform a vehicle test. CDA904 No message Status of trailer, 0X2e4 DME receiver AHM transmitter. The values changed. also by any chance would you know the torque specs for this bolts? not have the latest software. Then I used ISTA and diagnosed the exhaust side. Or will my timing chain, etc. As you can see theres is nothing special about these vanos unit,,,,when I was checking out the engine I also found the exhaust vanos unit,,,,one of the bolt were broken,,,,so I replaced both vanos unit and had to find TDC on the engine and time the engine,,,,while performing this job,,,,,I also removed the oil pan and removed all the broken pieces from the vanos units,,,,,so they dont roll around in the oil pan.,,,,we just dont see these vanos units going bad on the newer engines,,,,I havent seen one go bad on a N20 yet.,,,,as a tech this is not a bad job,,,,pays ok if you can work fast,,,,replacing both vanos units and removing the oil pan,,,,,all can be done in one day if you know what you are doing and dont mess up the timing which we all have done at some time..lol, There are 4 torque bolts that hold the gear sprocket and vanos together,,,,those bolt are made of aluminum. What is your opinion about the above? F30 / F31 / F32 / F33 / F34 / F36 (2012 - current). That test sets the cam to a desired number of degrees and reads the actual degrees. The VANOS cold start faults would reappear within 15 seconds of startup. Required fields are marked *. My engine is N52 E89X-13 -11-505 for the E84 and E89 130304 VANOS, exhaust, control fault, camshaft jammed Since its not on the list, does this mean this timing chain guide failure is highly unlikely? This situation can occur as a customer complaint, or after performing Learn how your comment data is processed. Cheers, Also, I had the whole transmission replaced at 42K miles when I bought it. But that is all. Engine Was it coincidental and maybe the bits of trash in the both VANOS spool valves cleared at the exact same time? F10, F25, F30, F31 and F34: Its a possibility that the motor could be saved,,,,but it would take a lot of money and time,,,there has been some people of done their own DIY and fixed the engine depending on what is damaged,,,if it is just the timing chain,rails , oil pump and hopefully the bearing arent bad and no damage to the pistons and valves the repairs might not be that bad,,,,you have to realize you have 176k miles which is a lot.,,,and what about the transmission is that next to fail? 2. Ok Ill do that. F34 I dont know how serious this is,,,but your mechanic is right to remove the valve cover and inspect the timing chain and guide rails,,,,if that is ok the check the exhaust vanos unit and intake vanos units,,,,your faults are for the exhaust side,,,the boost charge fault is due to the exhaust vanos faults. I have a SULEV vehicle so its definitely an N20 engine. Thanks for this. 130108 I learned that if you touch the neg and positive battery cable together while the battery is disconnected it clears the light. Bringing the BMW community together. Tried test with ista for vanos solenoid test removed solenoid stiff does not move when activated. 131808 Intermittent Exhaust variable camshaft timing control (VANOS) cost start position not reached. Sorry there are no replacement bolts for the N20 vanes unit that I know of,,,,,yes they are aluminum,,,the N20 and N26 vanes unit are not common to break not like the older one on N51 and N52, No, no check out the. The N20 is a 2.0L inline-4 single turbo engine that replaced the naturally aspirated 3.0L N52/N53. My daughters car had the timing chain issue N20. 96K views 5 years ago The BMW N54 and N52 typically have the most issues with this. I ended up scanning and getting below codes. 61 00 006 WT Performing vehicle diagnosis test Is this related to the new engine I got? However I did pay out of pocket to replace by valve cover gasket at a BMW dealership 2 years ago. I thinks it just some random fault that comes up. SUBJECT possible oil pump chain broken? SB-10053485-8362 no hesitation. Ive enjoyed your blog and I hope you will start posting again. CAUSE It gave the code 2D61 VANOS Outlet control, position not reached. This second mechanic doesnt have a scope to check the engine like the dealership did so now Im just confused and concerned that one or the other is missing something. N20 engines were released in 2011 and began phasing out in 2016 in favor of the new BMW B48 engine. This is due to a diagnostic programming error in the DME. The documentation claimed that it would take one minute for the VANOS cold start faults to appear. Thanks for your time. Thank you so much for your advice. Its hard to say but you might have a problem with vanos units, It could be electrical,,,but it doesnt say no signal or short circuit,,,,you could clear the faults and see what faults come back. Any comments/tips on both, car only has 49k miles. There are no timing codes. Even if the engine is warm it still gives these same fault codes. The improved DME software was introduced Now getting error 131501. It appears to be a relatively simple, .5 hr swap. What me be causing this? Intake Camshaft: Installation faulty. My car has very low mileage (just under 40,000) is in excellent condition (although it does sit outside) and I love it, but the thought of a catastrophic engine failure on such an expensive vehicle with very low mileage is of great concern. What would happen if I resent the adaptations with increment wheel/. Ill check my gas cap but I need to clear this code. If you are using a Main labor code for BMW wont tell us why some models have problems and some dont,,,,it could be because of horsepower,,,,,you could replace tensioner if you want,,,,,it wouldnt hurt anything, Thanks for the reply i think its 220i and 320i uses the exact engine N20 my F22 2014 car now has 105000kms since its not in the list , in general what do u advice me to do shall i just keep my ears alerted to sounds or u advise me to take to service center and maintain the chain so i can save the engine ? I own a 2015 X1 with a manufacture date of April 2014. You can't just bolt it up and clear the fault. Could you please guide me? So for the E89 Z4 only the 28i N20 powered model is affected and not the 20i sDrive? It has 115k miles on it so I am worried about the timing chain problem, but It was manufactured in 10/2011 which is before the listed date here (06/2012). I dont remember which hole it is in the flywheel,,,I do know once you have it in the correct hole you can not turn the motor back or forward that when you have found the correct TDC,,,,you should also make sure cylinder 1 piston is up. repairs to the engine valve train assembly. I saw a video where the chap replaced it without the locks and I thought it was an easy DIY. You could remove the valve cover and get a friend to hold tension on the chain while you change the tensioner, but its not exactly a quick job. The warrantee was in place until 2019. What can be the issue, they have fixed it twice already, I dont know what the automatic calibration means on a sulve.,,,on this P3195 code that isnt a factory code so I dont know what it means,,,you said BMW fixed the radiator what did they do to the radiator,,,,did they replace it,,,,you could have a t-stat issue causing a temperature problem with the radiator,,,or a water pump issue,,,,I need BMW codes,,, not P codes. Thanks. 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