As for those Tyrconnell expressions: major thumbs up. Tullamore Dew, rendered in most branding as Tullamore D.E.W. I am for Bushmills especially sprinkled over banana bread. Theres Whiskey and a prod or a catholic will drink it either way. I am still cradling my Bushmills 12 yr Distillery Reserve Whiskey. It is a fact that Bushmills is distilled in Northern Ireland, and Jameson hails from County Cork in the Republic. Simple business transaction where both sides benefit. When I lived in Providence, there was a lot of Powers drinking going on. In April I went to Jerusalem. While John Jameson was most likely a Protestant, his distillery in Dublin represented the Free State mentality and did not suffer from bigoted hiring practices. Being good to people is the very best thing you can do for yourself. No matter where it is produced. You can see why I am confused. Literal Meaning. The difference between the two has to do with the history of whiskey production in Ireland. In true Irish US tradition, my son is a cop and we will drink any Irish whiskey all of which are superior to Scotch. Just dont do anything silly like order it on the rocksits way too good for that. [3], Following reform of the distilling laws in 1823, the distillery expanded rapidly. Bourbon distillers only use barrels once, as the liquor gets its distinct flavor and color from the oak. It is either good or it is not. Three persons in one God: Father, Son and Holy . The whole time I was in Dublin (or even while I was Belfast) I never once heard anyone say anything about any whiskey having a religion. Though it is good to remember that Bushmills & Jameson were selling about even worldwide up until the mid/late 1990s, before Pernod decided to put all of its eggs in the Jameson basket. It is a distinct and beautiful expression of the craft. Eamonn, I thought all that was in the past and your country moved on? The new bottling hall is also taking shape even though itll be a while before the on site whiskey will be bottled. Hats off to all the others. All in all meaning, were I to have gone to Ireland to visit, my relatives would probably have been more confused than was I. I would wager that half the comments are from people that have never been to Irelandif I drink vodka does this make me a communist -no! Finish Support the old sod. But "this couldn't be any further from the truth," says McGarry. The cheap rustic stuff is often the best. About 5 or 6 years ago they flooeded Irish bars with it just before St. Paddys Day,almost forcing bars to sell off a lot of free stock they received. Historically a single pot still whiskey, the flagship Powers Gold Label brand was the first Irish whiskey ever to be bottled. Assertive and complex, with lots of development and seemingly infinite dimension. red breast is my favorite single pot still whisky!! Well, Jeffrey Morgenthaler, youve clearly never been to a privately owned Irish Catholic pub. Cocktail Kingdom Stainless Steel Julep Strainer, Kuhn Rikon 4-Inch Nonstick Colori Paring Knife, UPDATE: So much has been discovered since this post originally went up, about the dangers of quinine in people with quinine sensitivity. Clean, fresh. Bottom line Bushmills 16 yr has won my top pick in Irish whiskey over the 21 yr and Middletons, Redbreast and all the others. The Protestant Reformation was a religious, social, economic, and political revolution that was sparked when a Catholic monk named Martin Luther nailed his 95 Theses to the door of his local . Cured beef appeared in many cultures and has no clear beginning. Maybe they will bottle the Cork supply in Tullamore in the interim. Get over it and drink what you feel. March 17, 2016 / 1:00 PM / CBS San Francisco. Previous Post Elements Eight Rum Bushmills is distilled in County Antrim, Northern Ireland. The big difference between the two whiskies has nothing to do with religion, which is silly and, in some respects, rather ignorant. I wanted to explore one of t, @teremana has been my new favorite tequila since t, Happy Repeal Day! Of course with these kind of things mud tends to stick and some Irish-Americans wouldnt let the facts get in the way of a good anti-British story. Believe in the Trinity of God. Delicious, soothing, contemplative. And, fact fans, the space-age Middleton distillery in the far south makes the neutral alcohol for the blends produced at Bushmills up North. To complicate the issue even more, Bushmills has been owned by a big drinks corporation since 1972 (first Irish Distillers, now Diageo), but before then it was owned by a Scottish Jew! In later years I looked more into my family history and came to realize that my Fathers family were local Baptists and my Mothers were Czech Catholics. But there was a bar that had a shot of Powers and a Guinness for $7, so as you can guess I ended up drinking quite a bit of it. Thanks for sharing your thoughts about jeff. As long as its no longer going on in the company today then enjoy. Bad Catholic that I am, I always drank Bushmills over Jameson. Jamesons one-time MD (CEO in the USA) was Andrew Jameson. Catholic powers praised the killings, and the French Protestant cause saw a wave of exile and conversions. Im an American Catholic raised in the bible belt, West Virginia to be exact. I was a bartender in NY in the early 90s and in 98 moved to Kinsale Cork and bartended their for 4 yrs. All of it. The numbers level out when it comes to religions those. I hear that William Grant & Sons has a contract with LDI to have Tullamore Dew produced in Cork until 2025, so they will have to either be creative to release anything from the new distillery or have some mighty fine aged whiskey come the latter half of the next decade. For this reason, Bushmills has a bigger flavor, while Jameson has a much lighter flavor. You will love this stuff. -as he grabbed the Red Breast off the shelf. And not to get too specific, but given the choice, Irish Canandian Dry in the clear glass bottle (opposed to the green bottle or Finches). Powers is a brand of Irish whiskey. 17-18 years old found the love of my lifea catholic girl. Well, being of Scots-descent, Ill take one of each. It has shaped Ireland's agriculture, literature, song and now, more than ever - our economy.. It has earned a permanent place in my cabinet right next to my Glenrothes 1995 which I prefer over all the other SM brands including MacAllan 18 & 25. Potatoes for supper He said he was going to spend 90% of it on women and Irish whiskey and the other 10% he was going to waste! Sectarianism in Glasgow takes the form of long-standing religious and political sectarian rivalry between Catholics and Protestants.It is particularly reinforced by the fierce rivalry between Celtic F.C. I think Paddys may be even rarer in the US than Powers. stupid fucks In response, Guzzi This bill . Powers Gold Label is the best-selling Irish whiskey in its native Ireland. It is the second-largest-selling brand of Irish whiskey globally, with sales of over 1,500,000 cases per annum as of 2020. Tulley Dew 10 Year Single Malt! William Riley, well said, man. I generally have several bottles of Irish on hand. Though I guess thats for a different forum. : ). Today in Trader Joes, the checker looked at my bottle of Bushmills and then at me and asked, Catholic or Protestant? I had never heard that one before. Went on the Bushmills tour in November 2015. Also, I understand that corned beef and cabbage is not a traditional Irish meal but it is a traditional Irish American Meal, particularly in the North East. Not one of ya mentions Knappogue Castle. The 1608 license is not marketing shite, but did refer to the area of the town of Bushmills. First published on March 17, 2016 / 1:00 PM. Never tried Redbreast for some reason. While Redbreast is great, wonderful stuff, dont ever pass up a chance to sample their self-titled Middleton. Jameson Irish Whiskey is produced in Midleton, Ireland, though the original home of the brand is in Dublin. Some, like Jameson, are owned by Catholic companies. Drink which ever you palette desires!! Theres a scene in season 3 of The Wire that went right over my head: McNulty asks the bartender for a Jameson, and the bartender asks is Bushmills ok? McNulty comes back with aw, thats Protestant whiskey! Grudgingly, he accepts, but asks for it neat. Never been a fan of the Powers. The Ambassador had both Jameson and Bushmills on offer. If it was a genuine issue then bars wouldnt serve both. The Roman Catholic Church responded to the Protestant challenge by purging itself of the abuses and ambiguities that had opened the way to revolt . The Protestant/Catholic thing was explained to me as a labor dispute where a bunch of Catholic Derrymen were laid off from the Bushmills distillery or some shite. Spose its kinda like Rangers (hoik-phew) and Celtic FC really. Clicking on a product takes you to Amazon, which helps me keep this site running, so thank you in advance! The truth of the matter is, the age-old faux-pas of ordering Bushmills for fear of supporting English aggression and offending the Republic of Ireland is about as Irish as corned beef which is to say, not very Irish at all but rather Irish-American (Sorry, kids, corned beef is a Jewish invention). This is an interesting thread and I have a few more now to try. But I must say my absolute preference is Jameson 18 yr old. Not sure this is the right spot, but an Irish colleague and I, had this debate last week around Bushmills v Jameson in an Irish pub, here in New York. Ive worked my way through nearly all the brands mentioned here and yet consistently return to my beloved Jameson 12 neat. I even have taken a liking to Bushmills Irish Honey when Im in a cocktail mood.Not being Irish and not wanting to get political. And as our clan motto states commit thy work to god. As of late, its been my favorite it has rich barley notes that leave my palate craving more. He said, I guess they will have to be giving up the Guiness as well? Irish whiskey comes in two forms, Catholic and Protestant. All appointments are made solely on the basis of merit.. [3][1] The distillery, which had an output of about 6,000 gallons in its first year of operation,[4] initially traded as James Power and Son, but by 1822 had become John Power & Son,[1] and had moved to a new premises at John's Lane, a side street off Thomas Street. Oh, and as your average American that enjoys the brown, I contend that my enjoyment of scotch does not come at the expense of the Irish, Kentuckians, Tennesseeans or even Canadians! Why not stop purchasing rum to protest Spanish aggression while you are at it. . Though Jameson is currently distilled in lovely Cork, it was actually founded and first distilled in Dublin. It was also the period during which the Roman Catholic Church, as an entity distinct from other . Thank you for the real-world experience! Up here in Canada (BC) its quite difficult to find. I said, so youre Protestant? Upon this one should decide which whiskey they prefer, and not upon any religous matter. Such crap why are all these experts so called Irishmen living in US. I drink and enjoy both, but based on my experience(s) in Ireland lets just say watching you order a Bushmills in Dublin would be very entertaining. Thanks for the clarification. Redbreast was a recent taste and I liked that a lot. Get your facts right ! Should these facts come into the discussion when considering whether or not to indulge in a pint of the creamy delicious black stuff!? [1][2] A gold label adorned each bottle and it was from these that the whiskey got the name Powers Gold Label. Why even Arthur Guinness was a prod. One of the best whiskys I have ever drank. The good news is I dont have to worry about car bomb in Hicktown. (Ref. In my opinion, its one of the blandest, albeit smoothest, whiskeys Ive tasted. One further chapter in the history that really debunks this myth is that between 1972 and 2005, both Midleton (makers of Jameson) and Bushmills were owned by the same corporation, Irish Distillers. [8] This was a notable departure for the firm, as for many years the big Dublin distilling dynasties had shunned the use of Coffey stills, questioning if their output, grain whiskey, could even be termed whiskey. Dear sir, I know you did a bit onSangrita, but I was wondering if you have a good recipe for Sangria. As far as I know, spirit doesnt really care which way you worship your sky-fairy. I tried Bushmills a couple of years ago and was surprised to find I liked it a lot, too. In 1966, with the Irish whiskey industry still struggling following Prohibition in the United States, the Anglo-Irish Trade War and the rise of competition from Scotch whiskey, John Power & Son joined forces with the only other remaining distillers in the Irish Republic, the Cork Distilleries Company and their Dublin rivals John Jameson & Son, to form Irish Distillers. Tullamore Dew is aged in ex-bourbon and ex-sherry cask type, whereas Jameson is aged in oak barrels. Stick to the booze recommendations, the mixed drink recipes, and the things you have first-hand experience with. If you are not an active Catholic or Protestant. Im leaving this post up as an archive, but I encourage you to read that article first, and if you, As far as Im concerned, springtime is Dark and Stormy season. But until 2005 BOTH distilleries were owned by Pernod-Ricard. That was over 40 years ago. I grew up in a so-called Protestant area in west County Down where nobody really cares what you are. Cant wait to find out. Please remember quite a few of you presidents from Grant to Clinton descended from this part of the world. His policies were considered heavily pro-Catholic. While were tossing around personal stories, about 20 years ago I met some younger guys from Glasgow at a local pub, and I mentioned how I knew that neither Scotland nor Ireland were altogether warm with England, but I didnt know how the Irish and Scots felt about each other. If you dont beleive in god the whole situation would appear ridiculous. However, some of the buildings have been incorporated into the National College of Art and Design, and are now protected structures. FoinahYou nailed it. Come back if yer all so fucken proud. Ah. Question, in the US, is Powers readily available? So by your logic it is fair to say that Every time you raise a glass of American Bourbon you are in essence raising a glass to an Native American losing his land (and in MOST cases his life) to British/American rule! But as the visit was ending up with only 3 tiny plastic glasses half full. Over and out. Bushmills, which refused to hire Catholics for many years has been actively trying to recruit Catholic employees of late, because the pay a wee tax penalty for lack of diversity in their workforce. As most Irish distillers use their barrels more than once, the color and bourbon flavor is thinned a bit once blended. Im trying one at a time to see what I prefer. I had the 15yr old Kilbeggan during a visit at the Cooley distillery a few years back, and it was damn tasty. The Protestant Reformation began in Wittenberg, Germany, on October 31, 1517 . And let us not forget the new cask finishes of The Tyrconnell. Love a pleanty I became a Whiskey drinker a few years back now, and started with Jameson. Ireland is %110 united in whiskey. Next Post Xante Pear Liqueur (Not A Sex Toy). And good whiskey. [11], In 1961, a Coffey still was installed in John's Lane Distillery, allowing the production of vodka and gin, in addition to the testing of grain whiskey for use in blended whiskey. Whiskey takes no sides and is drank by all Catholic, Protestant, Hebrew, Atheist, etc. The plantation of Ulster started in 1609, and BTW that very same King (James I) planted the Jamestown settlement in Virginia two year previous in 1607. Very sweet (like the inside of a burnt marshmellow). There was a big banner from the 80s in one of our meeting rooms that read boycott bushmills they discriminate because they were from the north they didnt use to hire catholic workers. The episodes of violence associated with both Protestant and Catholic troops in the . Only if you are an idiot! [12] However, with many of the Irish distilleries having closed in the early 20th century in part due to their failure to embrace a change in consumer preference towards blended whiskey, Powers were instrumental in convincing the remaining Irish distilleries to reconsider their stance on blended whiskey.[8]. I could be fairly sure the master distiller was hired because he was good at distilling whiskey and not because they needed to hire a Catholic. The overwhelming majority of people in Ireland just want to get on with their lives, as they have always done and forget about this petty conflict. He replied, Bushmills. There was an Irish-American lobby group headed by a politician that was running for mayor that started a whole anti-Bushmills campaign in San Francisco in the early 90s claiming that the company never hired Catholics, a convenient attract Irish-American votes. Have an OHaras Red and a Jamison on me. So, so stupid. The date 1608 listed all over the Bushmills bottle is not only the date The King of England allowed distilling to take place in Northern Ireland it is also the date the plantation of Ulster began. Argument ended.. Jameson is the Catholic whiskey, Bushmills is the Protestant one, despite the efforts of the Bushmills PR department to spin it otherwise. Plus, many of the whiskies can be sipped neat or on the rocks. Then I must be the luckiest Arab in all o Ireland!. These are the books and tools I use every single day to make drinks at home and behind the bar. Raised going to church every goddamned Sunday. Multi-national corporations, of course, know no religious or other loyalty, except to the almighty dollar/pound/Euro. [15], More recently, in 2015, Powers Signature Release won a gold medal in the category Irish Single Pot Still Whiskey at the Irish Whiskey Awards. The fact is that Jameson is the Catholic whiskey and Bushmills is the Protestant whiskey and this is according to people I know That live in Belfast. Liquorice-like sherry notes It was a big hit with my fellow pilgrims. Irish whiskeys obtain much of their flavor and color from the coating left inside the barrel from the bourbon aging process. Regarding the Catholic/Protestant/Jewish/Corn Beef relationship, Man is walking down the street in Belfast. It was as perfect in flavour, and as pronounced in the ancient aroma of Irish Whisky so dear to the hearts of connoisseurs, as one could possibly desire, and we found a small flask of it very useful afterwards on our travels. To comment on a few posts above: I am of Irish descent and remember hearing the Protestant Whiskey comments as a kid growing up in New England(I am 50 now). It is about the spirit in the bottle, not in a church. ! Idiot!! That was in fact untrue. [1] In recent years, several single pot still variants have been relaunched under the Powers label. Been sipping since I was a wee-lad and have tried lots of whiskey with leanings towards both Irish whiskey and Single malt Scotches. So bottoms up. Delicious. The word "catholic" means "all-embracing," and the Catholic Church sees itself as the only . I do believe Irishness & Irish politics is whitewashed for Americans and presented from a certain political viewpoint. My growing up yearsnot virulently anti catholic just plain anti-catholic. Prefer the Irish whiskeys but never met a single malt I didnt savor. According to everyone Ive spoken with on the subject, you only really find this debate in the States, where Irish-American support of the Republic can sometimes be blind and often fueled by the very product were speaking of. However, ownership remained in the family until 1966, and several descendants of his sisters remained at work with the company until recent times. It was largely untouched by the Troubles and paramilitaries. Im thankful for everyone who, New York City! Several years ago, I worked in Bulgaria and a couple of other Balkan republics; and found to my surprise that Irish Whiskey is somewhat popular there, though far outpaced by the ubiquitous Balkan hard liquors Rakija and Mastika. Bushmills is very proud of its long Irish heritage and yes its head distiller is catholic but if someone wants to boycott this whiskey, not for taste, but simply because it is situated in an area populated mainly by Protestants then they are the one with the problem. I agree with Robert McHardy above. History matters which is why the Catholic/Protestant thing is relevant. Required fields are marked *. If they do in fact have a Catholic Master Distiller, he is probably just the token worker. Comment As of 2016, Paddy is the fourth largest-selling Irish whiskey in the World. Paid 10 Euro for a shot of it in Dublin, and well worth the price. Also how does Navan end up in a Heineken? I grew up in NYC with this popular myth engrained on my conciousness. It was fine w me, because the Jameson Distillery tour was fantastic. Hence, Bushmills is Protestant whiskey, which means by contrast Jameson, down in Cork County, must be Catholic. Memories. But in Falls Road and Shankill Road it is not really about religion, is it? Beaumont Funny, I thought of addressing that as I was wrapping up the post, but then thought, Nah, the chuckleheads who read this website arent smart enough to draw that conclusion. Guess I was wrong. Slainte. Im an Irish barman and I am stunned by the ignorant waffle that some Irish Americans spew about the oul sod. In 1841, John Power, grandson of the founder was awarded a baronetcy, a hereditary title. The Emperor's war against the Lutheran princes put the first Protestant reformers in a difficult bind. mhermher 9 yr. ago I always remark "that's Protestant whiskey" at any mention of bushmills, but no one ever catches the reference. Ive always preferred the non-woodsy irish Whiskeys so Powers, Knappogue, Red Breast, and recently the Spots have been my drink of choice and never was a fan of bushmills. catholic - from the Greek adjective (katholikos), meaning "universal". Trust me on this. OK, OK, can be pretty good and certainly much cheaper. Connemara Cask Strength is a real treat, and Greenore Single Grain is likewise enjoyable. The regular is fine; the Black Bush is nice if maybe too refined for me when I want a dram of Irish. It was one of the longest and most destructive conflicts in European history, resulting in millions of casualties. Those of us that still drink enjoy guinness as our beer They are just businesses making whiskey. , Do note that the greatest tv show of all time, The Wire, always showed the Baltimore cops ordering Jameson in the bars, and the hero, McNulty, becomes indignant when only Bushmills is available at a partys open bar ( I guess most of the cops were Irish Catholic ), so traditions prevailed. There was still a lot of Catholics in Scotland. Despised it. wear my orange on St. Patricks one night. Powers' Morte d'Urban, for example, the novel may strike you as the slightly humorous failures of an all-too worldly priest. Not all American or Irish whiskies spell the word with an elike Makers Mark, George Dickel, Old Forester, Early Times or Paddy spell the word w-h-i-s-k-y. It's been going on for thousands of years across the globe. Arthur Guinness was definitely Protestant And a Unionist. He was adamantly against Home Rule as well. Also, your giving Prince Harry more money to go on vacation, maybe Vegas again perhaps? I must say I enjoyed reading this thread, and I had no intention of posting until I reached #58. @Darby OGill. Michael Collins is a newcomer to the market place. I am not surprised that this thread is 6 years old and still going strong. There is whiskey, and a whiskey drinker is a whiskey drinker no matter how they take it. I am not trying to be offensive here, but really, it is just so dumb. Being RC from Ulster, Ive had Jameson (and other Cork products) in plenty of Prod pubs (whether in Belfast or elsewhere) and plenty of Bushmills in RC pubs (whether in Dublin or in staunch republican areas of Cork, Kerry, and elsewhere), and never been hassled over it. The three also exchange used casks, when need be, if they have extra. Though in the end, I do really prefer Bushmills. 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